A Nail In The Palm Of God!

Result! Tonight I scored a little victory for atheism and logic. I forced a Christian Creationist to admit that free will does not exist and god must have set up Adam and Eve! It was so damned easy I wish I'd thought of this years ago.

How did I achieve this? I asked a simple question.

God created Adam and Eve and, in Gen 1:28, told them to “be fruitful and multiply”. This came before they ate of the Tree of Knowledge, so death hadn't entered the world at "The Fall" as they call it. It doesn't take a genius (after all I realised it) to realize that this cannot possibly work, because Adam and Eve's descendants would all too quickly over populate the Earth to the point it couldn't be sustained.

Only one fundie dared to answer this rather glaring problem with their big ol' book of bigotry and bollocks, Nancy Cogar. Her response is below.

So god KNEW that Adam and Eve would eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?

But Adam and Eve were given free will, were they not? They clearly could not have free will if god knew they would eat that fruit, indeed they had to eat the fruit for god's entire plan to work – otherwise we'd be living on a planet more crowded than a subway train at rush-hour!

This presents certain moral problems for their god. If he knew they had to eat that fruit he knew he would end up punishing not only them but every living creature, and every one of their descendants in perpetuity. What kind of loving, benevolent, forgiving god would instigate such a scenario in the first place? It logically doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Although I don't doubt Christians will bleat like the sheep they are that it's not that simple, trying to find some mitigation for their god's cruelty, but I kinda think this is just another nail in the palm of their bronze aged, blood sacrifice fixated god of war. Damn it felt so good to hammer that bastard home!

Now if only I could persuade them that god doesn't exist anyway! Oh well, slowly, slowly evolvy monkey, as they sort of say.